I put a ranty comment of a post of Leg-Irons at the weekend. He was tearing David Cameron a new arsehole for suggesting that the smoking ban was a success. It's well worth a read so I suggest you pop over there then come back here. I'll get the kettle on while you're gone.
*Brews up*
Amongst others, one of the 'successes' Leg-Iron picks up on is the fact that the pub trade has been decimated and thousands of staff turned out of work.
Back when the ban came in, me and Mrs Bucko were working for a pub company / brewery as relief managers. We would run pubs while the managers were on holiday or pubs where there was no manager and the brewery was recruiting. For anyone unfamiliar with the trade, pubs have to remain open all year round to keep the money coming in, so folk like us run pubs in the interim where there is no manager available.
It's always been my dream to run my own local boozer. If you don't have the money to buy a gaff then you can do what we were trying to do and manage one for a pubco until you have the funds. We started working for pubs within the company, me as an assistant manager and Mrs Bucko as a cook. Once we got noticed we were put on the relief managers training course and eventually became reliefs.
We travelled around a lot during that time, running pubs all over the north and the midlands. We ran all sorts from chavvy dives to fancy pub restaurants.
During the two to three years we did it I had some of the best and worst times of my life. I could tell you some stories, weather you want to hear about pissed up police functions, dear old ladies birthday meals or hideous fights with groups of chavs that get the riot police involved, I have them all, but that's for another day.
The endgame was to do the relief for a while and then get a pub of our own to manage, eventually buying one for ourselves.
Than the smoking ban came.
We never really believed it would happen at first, we just thought the talk would all blow over and things would go back to normal. One day we were called into a meeting and told it was going ahead and the government had set a date. Thwaites, the company we worked for, had set aside three million pounds for the purposes of building smoking shelters, training the staff in the new regulations and a huge PR exercise to let all our customers know what was happening.
They told us Carlsberg / Tetley, a much larger company had set aside ten times that amount for the same purposes.
I kicked off a little about this and asked why we weren't all pooling this money together and using it to fight the ban. I was told that nobody wanted to do that because the ban was a huge opportunity if handled right.
The company line was that smokers were in the minority and they were keeping many more non smokers out of the pubs. After the ban, the lost trade from smokers would be quickly recouped and then some, by all the non smokers that were going to start visiting pubs.
At the time I didn't foresee the wholesale destruction of the pub trade, I was personally angry because one day I wanted to own a pub and I wanted to welcome smokers. I certainly didn't want the Government telling me otherwise.
I didn't last another year in the trade. It wasn't long before Thwaites sold half of their managed house stock and I could see the end of the road for my career. I quit the pub trade the January following the ban and started an office job for a company I still work for. Within the following year, Thwaites sold the rest of their managed estate and the tenants began handing their keys in at the rate of 30 pubs per week.
When you're working in that kind of environment you don't get much time to yourself. Whenever possible, me and Mrs Bucko would get together with my parents and my sister and her husband, go to the local pub and play pool.
My dad is the only non smoker in the group and after the ban he would come and join us outside if the weather was nice, and if it wasn't we would take turns to go out for a fag so he was never on his own. After a while my mums legs started to get quite bad and it became difficult for her to keep going outside to smoke.
My sister bought a pool table for their back room and I bought one shortly after for our spare bedroom. We both also bought dart boards and my folks bought a Wii. When we get together now we do it at one of our houses. Theres pool and darts, the booze is cheap and we can smoke as much as we want.
That boozer we used to go to closed eventually. Then it opened again. Then it closed. It's open again now. We have been drinking there for years. The same chap had it for a long time and then it passed to one of the long serving staff when he left. Since the ban it has gone through five managers that I am aware of.
So yes Cameron, the smoking ban is a huge success if what you set out to do is close all the pubs, ruin peoples careers, throw staff out of work and create a society where non smokers can no longer coexist with smokers in peace.
Big success.
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As the sort of non-smoker who doesn't thrive too well in smoky atmospheres, I should, according to the statisticians, now be skipping off down to my local every night. The fact that I don't owes a certain amount to a shortage of cash, but much more to never having acquired the habit of pub-going in the first place.
It isn't exactly rocket-science; the group of smokers significantly overlaps with those likely to want to spend an evening in the pub - and there are plenty of people out there who don't fall into either category.
We did drop in to our nearest pub for lunch the other day - there was a power cut at home - and the spouse and I formed 50% of the clientele. The landlord's doing his dubious best - the place has been tarted up to look like a Seattle coffee bar - but the locals are obviously staying away in droves.
What did they think was going to happen?
Macheath, I don't think the government ever cared about what would happen.
What pisses me off is that the industry, the people who actually run companies, didn't see this coming. Instead they just bent over.
A similar miscalculation happened over satellite TV in the UK - they based the initial uptake calculations on the population percentage who had bought video recorders, disregarding the fact that the market demographic wasn't necessarily the same. The result, in the early 90s, found Sky and BSB both struggling with far fewer subscribers than predicted.
I think aswell, the pub industry is very used to being heavily regulated. There may have been an element of fear involved when choosing to beleive what they were told rather than fighting it
. Sok :O
You've some inflation at work on that 'decimated', Bucko.
See what happened to Punch Taverns? DP's still mopping up the tears in his carpet after they welcomed the ban.
Giles Thorley presided over management more spineless than the Italian Army and the share price has reflected that. If someone did that to my share price I'd be soaping up his backside and wishing leukaemia on his family.
How the fuck do you lose money selling booze?
By pissing off your core clientele.
Thank you, Macheath, for coming out and saying what you said. People such as Mrs 20 and her sister, fervent antismokers, didn't go to pubs because they are not pub people. You could probably sharpen a pencil in their quims* when we could smoke because they could not stand to see us having fun.
They are still not, and will never be, pub people.
* Please don't say 'Pics or it never happened'
ASH and Thompsons' Tell Employers: Don't Say You Weren't Warned Over Secondhand Smoke
Monday 12 January 2004
"The hospitality trade faces a rising threat of legal action from employees whose health is damaged by secondhand smoke, after a new tie-up between health campaigning charity Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) and the UK's largest personal injury and trade union law firm Thompsons was announced today.
ASH has sent a registered letter to all the UK's leading hospitality trade employers, warning them that the "date of guilty knowledge" under the Health and Safety at Work Act is now past, and that employers should therefore know of the risks of exposing their staff to secondhand smoke.
Employers who continue to permit smoking in the workplace are therefore likely to be held liable by the courts for any health damage caused. ASH and Thompsons intend to use the letters in any future court cases as evidence that employers have been fully informed of the issue."
ash.org.uk
I'd say so.
Twenty Rothmans - Yes I've seen the disaster that was Punch Taverns. The core clientel were the smokers. 25 percent of the population smoke but it was more like 50 percent of pub customers wasn't it?
Anon2 - I think I've read about those letters somewhere. I would be tempted to challenge them to prove it in court, but I bet the courts would find against you without any evidence that passive smoking causes harm, it's so widely beleived these days. I wouldn't be surprises if there are already examples. I might have to take a look.
Let me give you my own little example. Mrs Humph and I met at college when one could smoke wherever one wanted. And I did. She has never smoked and never will, yet she agreed to marry me and to have my wonderful children.
Post children things changed a bit and I'm fine with that. I haven't smoked in our mutual abode for about 20 years now but I'm fine with that also.
However, before the general ban came in and definitely pre-kids, every one of our social occasions involved going to a pub or a restaurant where I smoked along with many others. Yes, she comnplained about the smell on her clothes and hair, and yes, I agreed it couldn't be great for a non-smoker. But she still did it, for years and years, and so did many other non-smokers who went to pubs and restaurants.
Well, strangely enough she has never seemed to have suffered in any way from the years of being surrounded by smoking, never (really) complained about it when she went to the pub week in week out and is still happily married to me who smokes as much as I ever did.
We don't go to pubs now. Why would I want to if I'm going to be treated like a second class citizen? I don't want to spend half the time sitting in some stupid fucking wooden shed with a tanning light in it.
It worked before, there was a symbiotic relationship going on and then the Whitehall clowns came along and fucked it all. Cameron is a totally clueless cunt and every day that passes only confirms that more. God fucking forbid that Labour get back into power, but I'm starting to wonder how much worse they can do than this shower of shit we have in power now. Obviously I'd never vote for Milipenis, but Cameroid is such an utterly fucking useless spam-headed twat ... as Julia would say.
‘ When you have lost your inns drown your empty selves, for you will have lost the last of England.’ Hilaire Belloc
Maybe that is the plan.
It seems that England and all things English are being systematically destroyed. There is a cultural war being fought against this land and its people.
Pubs are an integral part of English culture so they would be a target.
Even our parliamentary system is being destroyed by the venal grubby politicians whom we have voted into positions of power over us.
More fool us.
DP
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