tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post5394263608159025722..comments2024-03-28T16:46:50.706+00:00Comments on The Moose: A rant about the success of the smoking ban.Buckohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-76158905439739569642011-11-08T12:15:35.685+00:002011-11-08T12:15:35.685+00:00Dear Moose
‘ When you have lost your inns drown y...Dear Moose<br /><br /><i>‘ When you have lost your inns drown your empty selves, for you will have lost the last of England.’</i> Hilaire Belloc<br /><br />Maybe that is the plan.<br /><br />It seems that England and all things English are being systematically destroyed. There is a cultural war being fought against this land and its people.<br /><br />Pubs are an integral part of English culture so they would be a target.<br /><br />Even our parliamentary system is being destroyed by the venal grubby politicians whom we have voted into positions of power over us.<br /><br />More fool us.<br /><br />DPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-48736807485013725482011-11-07T23:31:47.037+00:002011-11-07T23:31:47.037+00:00This is and always will be the most perfect exampl...This is and always will be the most perfect example of the state interfering in something they shouldn't and totally fucking it up.<br /><br />Let me give you my own little example. Mrs Humph and I met at college when one could smoke wherever one wanted. And I did. She has never smoked and never will, yet she agreed to marry me and to have my wonderful children.<br /><br />Post children things changed a bit and I'm fine with that. I haven't smoked in our mutual abode for about 20 years now but I'm fine with that also.<br /><br />However, before the general ban came in and definitely pre-kids, every one of our social occasions involved going to a pub or a restaurant where I smoked along with many others. Yes, she comnplained about the smell on her clothes and hair, and yes, I agreed it couldn't be great for a non-smoker. But she still did it, for years and years, and so did many other non-smokers who went to pubs and restaurants.<br /><br />Well, strangely enough she has never seemed to have suffered in any way from the years of being surrounded by smoking, never (really) complained about it when she went to the pub week in week out and is still happily married to me who smokes as much as I ever did.<br /><br />We don't go to pubs now. Why would I want to if I'm going to be treated like a second class citizen? I don't want to spend half the time sitting in some stupid fucking wooden shed with a tanning light in it.<br /><br />It worked before, there was a symbiotic relationship going on and then the Whitehall clowns came along and fucked it all. Cameron is a totally clueless cunt and every day that passes only confirms that more. God fucking forbid that Labour get back into power, but I'm starting to wonder how much worse they can do than this shower of shit we have in power now. Obviously I'd never vote for Milipenis, but Cameroid is such an utterly fucking useless spam-headed twat ... as Julia would say.Humphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-45102379437822011132011-11-07T21:51:34.502+00:002011-11-07T21:51:34.502+00:00Anon1 - In a nutshell :-)
Twenty Rothmans - Yes I...Anon1 - In a nutshell :-)<br /><br />Twenty Rothmans - Yes I've seen the disaster that was Punch Taverns. The core clientel <i>were</i> the smokers. 25 percent of the population smoke but it was more like 50 percent of pub customers wasn't it?<br /><br />Anon2 - I think I've read about those letters somewhere. I would be tempted to challenge them to prove it in court, but I bet the courts would find against you without any evidence that passive smoking causes harm, it's so widely beleived these days. I wouldn't be surprises if there are already examples. I might have to take a look.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-34114000127772293322011-11-07T19:28:01.835+00:002011-11-07T19:28:01.835+00:00"There may have been an element of fear invol..."There may have been an element of fear involved when choosing to beleive what they were told rather than fighting it"<br /><br /><br />ASH and Thompsons' Tell Employers: Don't Say You Weren't Warned Over Secondhand Smoke<br />Monday 12 January 2004<br /><br />"The hospitality trade faces a rising threat of legal action from employees whose health is damaged by secondhand smoke, after a new tie-up between health campaigning charity Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) and the UK's largest personal injury and trade union law firm Thompsons was announced today. <br /><br />ASH has sent a registered letter to all the UK's leading hospitality trade employers, warning them that the "date of guilty knowledge" under the Health and Safety at Work Act is now past, and that employers should therefore know of the risks of exposing their staff to secondhand smoke. <br /><br />Employers who continue to permit smoking in the workplace are therefore likely to be held liable by the courts for any health damage caused. ASH and Thompsons intend to use the letters in any future court cases as evidence that employers have been fully informed of the issue."<br />ash.org.uk<br /><br />I'd say so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-6799558380371073822011-11-07T19:19:09.189+00:002011-11-07T19:19:09.189+00:00the pub trade has been decimated
You've some ...<i>the pub trade has been decimated</i><br /><br />You've some inflation at work on that 'decimated', Bucko.<br /><br />See what happened to Punch Taverns? DP's still mopping up the tears in his carpet after they welcomed the ban.<br /><br />Giles Thorley presided over management more spineless than the Italian Army and the share price has reflected that. If someone did that to my share price I'd be soaping up his backside and wishing leukaemia on his family.<br /><br />How the fuck do you lose money selling booze?<br /><br />By pissing off your core clientele.<br /><br />Thank you, Macheath, for coming out and saying what you said. People such as Mrs 20 and her sister, fervent antismokers, didn't go to pubs because they are not pub people. You could probably sharpen a pencil in their quims* when we could smoke because they could not stand to see us having fun.<br /><br />They are still not, and will never be, pub people.<br /><br />* Please don't say 'Pics or it never happened'Twenty_Rothmansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-84620707186258876822011-11-07T19:16:26.758+00:002011-11-07T19:16:26.758+00:00Fuck them, fuck them all. Idiots.
. Sok :OFuck them, fuck them all. Idiots.<br />. Sok :OAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-26834213141712974422011-11-07T18:48:04.434+00:002011-11-07T18:48:04.434+00:00Macheath - I don't doubt the truth of any of t...Macheath - I don't doubt the truth of any of that.<br />I think aswell, the pub industry is very used to being heavily regulated. There may have been an element of fear involved when choosing to beleive what they were told rather than fighting itBuckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-83131308148961306782011-11-07T16:31:23.798+00:002011-11-07T16:31:23.798+00:00I suspect the term 'opportunity' gives the...I suspect the term 'opportunity' gives the game away - some statistical analyst told the coompanies the ban would let them gather all the non-smokers into the profit fold while maintaining their smoking clientele - albeit herded into in a shed out the back.<br /><br />A similar miscalculation happened over satellite TV in the UK - they based the initial uptake calculations on the population percentage who had bought video recorders, disregarding the fact that the market demographic wasn't necessarily the same. The result, in the early 90s, found Sky and BSB both struggling with far fewer subscribers than predicted.Macheathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04451439759398780345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-80392003040164628162011-11-07T16:00:19.880+00:002011-11-07T16:00:19.880+00:00"What did they think was going to happen?&quo..."What did they think was going to happen?"<br /><br />Macheath, I don't think the government ever cared about what would happen.<br />What pisses me off is that the industry, the people who actually run companies, didn't see this coming. Instead they just bent over.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-35792225976941334602011-11-07T15:45:46.755+00:002011-11-07T15:45:46.755+00:00Someone really got their Venn diagrams mixed up.
...Someone really got their Venn diagrams mixed up. <br /><br />As the sort of non-smoker who doesn't thrive too well in smoky atmospheres, I should, according to the statisticians, now be skipping off down to my local every night. The fact that I don't owes a certain amount to a shortage of cash, but much more to never having acquired the habit of pub-going in the first place.<br /><br />It isn't exactly rocket-science; the group of smokers significantly overlaps with those likely to want to spend an evening in the pub - and there are plenty of people out there who don't fall into either category.<br /><br />We did drop in to our nearest pub for lunch the other day - there was a power cut at home - and the spouse and I formed 50% of the clientele. The landlord's doing his dubious best - the place has been tarted up to look like a Seattle coffee bar - but the locals are obviously staying away in droves.<br /><br />What did they think was going to happen?Macheathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04451439759398780345noreply@blogger.com