tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post6253659168286325698..comments2024-03-28T16:46:50.706+00:00Comments on The Moose: The Ciggy Busters were just kidding. Well that's ok then.Buckohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-58005242029789003112010-08-31T21:42:53.534+01:002010-08-31T21:42:53.534+01:00Right. Some yobbo comes running up to me attemptin...Right. Some yobbo comes running up to me attempting to grab at my face. My 28 years of training, by the Crown I might add, comes into play so I grab the reaching arm and pull. The yobbo's forward momentum is increased thus increasing the damage my rapidly rising right knee causes to his testicles.<br />Yobbo suffers the effect of crushed testicles and collapses towards me; I push him back by striking the heel of my right hand under the septum of his nose, driving the bones into his frontal cranial lobe thus dissuading him from drawing breath. <br />Would I be liable or would the claim of self defence protect me?<br />I wonder.selsey.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12531315051208210724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-6630111714789747922010-08-27T17:53:00.266+01:002010-08-27T17:53:00.266+01:00Exactly Bucko, this is not about free speech, they...Exactly Bucko, this is not about free speech, they can any opinion on smoking they wish but they cross the line with incitement to hate and discrimination and prejudice against a minority group. I dont blame the kids but those who are using them for political reasons.<br /><br />You have to ask why they were so quick to try remove all incriminating evidence of the net, which failed due to the wonderful google cached tool.<br />If they had done nothing wrong and not broke the law what were they worried about?<br />New term at hundred of hoo should be interesting, i wonder if Margharita will be on garden leave?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-89401805803040883332010-08-26T08:40:42.328+01:002010-08-26T08:40:42.328+01:00Anon @ 10:56 "These are young people who have...Anon @ 10:56 "These are young people who have yet to form coherent arguments, give them a break."<br />No. If they haven't formed coherent arguements then they should not be out on the streets villifying smokers. They should be in the clasroom learning. You could not use the "they are just young" arguement if they were targeting gays or muslims etc. Its only because smoking has been so denormalised that you think this behaviour is acceptable.<br />Hopefully the "vitriolic response" will help them form a coherent arguement; one that says its unacceptable to force your beleifs onto others.<br />We do think for ourselves. That is the reason why we dont let others dictate our life choices.<br />I doubt from your comments that <i>you</i> have been involved in a real war. People have spoke on this blog and others, about how their families fought for freedom. They can see that freedom being taken away from us because their relatives invested so much in guaranteeing it.<br />You, however seem happy to let others make your choices.<br />Lastly, this is not a freedom of speech issue. I am happy for them to speak about their feelings on smoking. I am not happy for them to say "We will stop you smokng". that is crossing the line from freedom of speech to dictatorship.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-82518820799955758202010-08-25T23:56:21.793+01:002010-08-25T23:56:21.793+01:00Ah huh, such a vitriolic response for those who ar...Ah huh, such a vitriolic response for those who are so wrapped up in themselves. Open your tiny minds, get out the front door and live a little. These are young people who have yet to form coherent arguments, give them a break. With the freedom of speech we are allowed in this country who knows what they may achieve in the future. This is not 1930 -45 no blackshirts around now. Stop reading the Daily Mail and think for yourself. I am a self confessed fascist and I certainly do not find this behaviour in any way 'outrageous'. But then I guess I would? That's an expert talking, get off the band wagon. Methinks you are amateurs.<br />To all you made so incandescent about such a trivial item I suggest you go and fight a real war , where those that are determined to oppress the rights of others are prepared to to blow your head off. It will certainly focus your mind and have you question your values. You sad, small people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-63363119467986868852010-08-24T18:36:12.283+01:002010-08-24T18:36:12.283+01:00With Regard to the acting chief Inspectors reply, ...With Regard to the acting chief Inspectors reply, it makes no difference if the video was real, spoof or acted with regard to anti discrimination and incitement to hate laws so he is talking out of his arse. He seems to be saying look its just a school project however this also is totally irrelevant with regard to the law.<br />Encouraging criminal activity is a serious offence; it’s incitement. It contravenes sections 44, 45 & 46 of the Serious Crime Act 2007<br /><br />The nest step is to complain the police complaints authority regarding the above offenses which kent police believes it can ignore by word play.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-7874303011879139282010-08-23T21:53:05.817+01:002010-08-23T21:53:05.817+01:00Good letter at yours Mr Frog. You even found some ...Good letter at yours Mr Frog. You even found some paragraphs and subsections to quote them. I like it.<br />Please do let us know if you get a response.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-83334750893626632272010-08-23T20:54:17.782+01:002010-08-23T20:54:17.782+01:00Exactly the argument I thought they would use to t...Exactly the argument I thought they would use to try to wriggle out of it. The problem (for them) is they didn't make it clear in their video it was staged and clearly condoned and encouraged such actions as if they were real - therefore it's still incitement. Whether the stunt is real or fake the charge of incitement remains. That's what I'm going for.<br /><br />http://thefrogsalittlehot.blogspot.com/2010/08/medway-council.htmlTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-70781114044432979502010-08-23T19:59:54.964+01:002010-08-23T19:59:54.964+01:00Shes probably a quivering wreck after all the emai...Shes probably a quivering wreck after all the emails shes been sent. Maybe after the vallium kicks in, you will get a reply.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-91504899315192129392010-08-23T19:46:27.038+01:002010-08-23T19:46:27.038+01:00On the other hand, it is four days since I sent th...On the other hand, it is four days since I sent the email below to Miss Gramagna. At the time of writing she has not taken the opportunity to clarify or claim that she was misquoted in newspaper reports.<br /><br />----- Original Message ----- <br />From: xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br />To: margheritagramegna@yahoo.co.uk <br />Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:26 PM<br />Subject: Newspaper quote<br /><br /><br />Dear Margherita Gramegna,<br /> <br />Will you please confirm or deny the following quote from the Medway Messenger newspaper, online version on, 19th August 2010 by 6pm tomorrow,<br /> <br />“We didn’t start directly with the general public because we were scared of their reaction, so we planted some people to demonstrate with first.<br /><br /> “After that, people actually participated quite nicely and let us ambush them.<br /><br /> “They were actually saying that this was a very funny and interesting approach.”<br /><br />Thank you in advance,<br /><br />xxxxxxxxxxxxx.<br /><br />ps Also, could you confirm whether or not members of the general public who participated were aware not only of the filming taking place, but also the nature of the activities of Ciggy Busters.<br /><br />--------------------<br /><br />When you add in the Ciggy Busters Facebook info page (now deleted but not before it was saved) which states the they will target unsuspecting smokers, whilst there may be no complainants known to the police there is clear evidence of premeditated criminal intent.<br /><br /><br />The Ciggy Busters Facebook page stated:-<br />"The Ciggy Busters are a group of students who are taking a physical act against smoking. At locations that will only be revelaed at the time of filming unsuspecting smokers will be swormed by a group of students and have their cigarrettes confiscated from their hands...The adverts dont work so we have decided to take action..thank you for your support :)<br />Privacy type:Open: All content is public."<br /><br />There is serious crime here. Sanctioning by police and government agencies does not make it legal or lawful; it makes it more serious.Twisted Rootnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-56462084663450494172010-08-23T19:37:44.992+01:002010-08-23T19:37:44.992+01:00It seems no amount of persecution and harrassment ...It seems no amount of persecution and harrassment is going to stir the millions of smokers into action. It could be time to throw <br />the devils advocate into the melting pot.<br />Insults,ridicule,sarcasm,embarrassment,<br />belittling,showing up,accusations of cowardice,<br />pictures of pissed wet through baboons outside a pub,smoking rats peeping from a dust bin,<br />the full monty ,rub their noses into the grids.Make them feel like lepers,like vermin,<br />pass round the white feathers,get them to eat dirt,dish out the white flags.<br />Lets see what they are made of.<br /><br />No holds barredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-56202854962486519442010-08-23T19:37:16.805+01:002010-08-23T19:37:16.805+01:00Anon - If we keep paggering the antis like this, m...Anon - If we keep paggering the antis like this, maybe in a year or so, smoking will be more socially acceptable again.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-3145642335312388442010-08-23T19:36:09.176+01:002010-08-23T19:36:09.176+01:00DP - Cheers. Goes to show, you dont even have to i...DP - Cheers. Goes to show, you dont even have to insult a victim group directly. As long as one of the terminally offended hear it, you will get in trouble. Insult a smoker, everyone is happy.<br /><br />Smoking - Yeah. we dont really want the plod sniffing round:-)<br /><br />Big Yin - Cheers! Ya filthy smoker!<br /><br />Longrider - True, but its equally as likely they never did it to anyone who wasn't in on it. That way no one will complain but they can lie to the papers saying they did it to general public and that will make it look like people did actually accept it and go along with it. It's not like the anti smoking zealots are remowned for telling the truth now, is it?Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-33371110438186525092010-08-23T18:01:58.503+01:002010-08-23T18:01:58.503+01:00They've disappeared but they're just cowar...They've disappeared but they're just cowards, running away from the glare of publicity. They've learned nothing from it and are unrepentant. I left a message on the video (put up by someone who had thoughtfully saved it) saying that I hoped it would be used in legal proceedings. One of the shits sent me a message on Youtube saying, "Dream On."<br /><br />They're only concerned that anti-smoker hatred isn't quite as socially acceptable as they thought it was - nothing else. Give it another year or two of denormalisation and they'll try it again, and again, until the point is reached where it doesn't even raise a murmur. We're almost there after all - as has already been mentioned, if "an event" using actors was staged in a street where they tore the burkhas off Moslems they would still have been done for something, regardless of the fact that everyone involved were actors. This parallel doesn't even seem to have crossed the minds of plod, let alone the shits who orchestrated this event.<br /><br />Smokers just don't count.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-51259367390151066012010-08-23T17:31:44.070+01:002010-08-23T17:31:44.070+01:00I pretty much expected that reply. It's hardly...I pretty much expected that reply. It's hardly likely that the school would ave been up front to plod about assaulting passers-by.Longriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15139120804208136012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-67719480735113546202010-08-23T17:16:45.635+01:002010-08-23T17:16:45.635+01:00Great analysis Bucko. The PC brigade really get my...Great analysis Bucko. The PC brigade really get my my smoke filled nose!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10072165710888952465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-67777425941900949772010-08-23T17:05:03.924+01:002010-08-23T17:05:03.924+01:00Notice to anyone who may think they are in trouble...Notice to anyone who may think they are in trouble with the law ... just tell them you didn't do it and everything will be fine! :)<br /><br />This was never about getting a police investigation anyway. lt was about people just saying 'Enough! no more!'<br /><br />As you say Bucko, they did get the message ... and all ran for cover!<br /><br />Job done!Smoking Hothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534745989363293923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-4498114712304167232010-08-23T16:53:47.798+01:002010-08-23T16:53:47.798+01:00Very good comparison with the Christian preacher.Very good comparison with the Christian preacher.Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.com