tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post58945995124495322..comments2024-03-28T13:20:04.895+00:00Comments on The Moose: ♠♣♥♦ Allergies trump Deafblind. ♠♣♥♦Buckohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-10281909241053870512011-12-14T07:27:20.212+00:002011-12-14T07:27:20.212+00:00Traces of dog isn't quite the same as actual d...Traces of dog isn't quite the same as actual dogBuckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-38564262275072820922011-12-13T21:54:49.849+00:002011-12-13T21:54:49.849+00:00So any other pupil that lives with a dog, must als...So any other pupil that lives with a dog, must also be banned from the canteen/refrectory, as people with pets carry traces of their animals on them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-17048976180263230582011-12-13T20:20:42.986+00:002011-12-13T20:20:42.986+00:00Spackers - I can see how you would think that, rea...Spackers - I can see how you would think that, reading the comment again. I assure you I'm not some H&S nut :-)<br />My comment was in response to Johnnys "hey we all die so what the hell", wich I thought was not a valid arguement.<br />I'm sure there are stats for anaphylactic shock deaths, although they're probably few and far between. Bees probably cause a hell of a lot more than dogs.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-53281289490361534942011-12-13T20:01:54.216+00:002011-12-13T20:01:54.216+00:00They deserve to be locked in a room together minus...They deserve to be locked in a room together minus unis.<br /><br />But I can't believe you said this...<br />"We are indeed all going to die as you say, but I don't see why that means one person can increase the risk to another through their actions."<br /><br />You sound just like a Second Hand Smoke 20mph Zone Think of the Children Global Warming Alarmist:~)<br /><br />Got any stats for allergy to dogs causing death by anaphylactic shock in schoolchildren? You don't have to narrow it down to black labs and schoolchildren, any dog, anyone will do:~)Spackersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-60944188339583980602011-12-13T14:47:43.000+00:002011-12-13T14:47:43.000+00:00"Seems to me the school has been given an imp...<i>"Seems to me the school has been given an impossible job and has handled it as well as could be done."</i><br /><br />Spot on!JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-64315001040433816092011-12-13T13:47:45.531+00:002011-12-13T13:47:45.531+00:00Richard - Yes, the Daily Mail is not renowned as a...Richard - Yes, the Daily Mail is not renowned as a true and impartial source of information :-)<br /><br />I think, as you say in your second comment, that they both need to grow up a bit. Her inconvenience is only for two hours a week and his is only if he actually comes in contact with the dog. (apparently).<br /><br />Whatever the true ins and outs of this situation, it certainly doesn't warrant the attention of the national press.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-25849350158703305202011-12-13T13:40:26.585+00:002011-12-13T13:40:26.585+00:00Bollocks. I have read the article again and they ...Bollocks. I have read the article again and they both need to man up. Seems to me the school has been given an impossible job and has handled it as well as could be done.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15743685798068014455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-35419707805887105602011-12-13T13:36:03.216+00:002011-12-13T13:36:03.216+00:00Bucko, I take your point. Either deafness or blind...Bucko, I take your point. Either deafness or blindness are horrible disabilities, and to have both must be unimaginably awful. That's real. Contrast that with someone who claims he might die if he has to share a large, clean room with a dog for 20 minutes. I know which I regard as the genuine disability, and which is (likely to be) the look-at-me condition that makes someone 'special'.<br /><br /><br />There seems to be a focus on the girl's fashion sense, but we have only the Daily Mail's word that this is the centre of her complaint. To me, hers is the genuine disability and the boy needs to man up a bit.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15743685798068014455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-79720749046089990552011-12-13T12:56:25.633+00:002011-12-13T12:56:25.633+00:00Johnnyrvf - You're right, being at risk is not...Johnnyrvf - You're right, being at risk is not the same as certainty, yet risk still needs to be mitigated.<br />This girl has a disability. She needs to come to terms with that and realise that sometimes she will need to use a cane and fasion be dammed. We do try to treat disabled people as though there is nothing wrong these days but that won't work.<br /><br />The allergy guy may well be able to see and hear but that doesn't make a difference to his allergies does it? As Julia says, the blind girl is at risk in daily situations but not in the canteen, which is what this is about.<br /><br />You, as with the paper, seem to think that the allergy guy is an irrelevance. The school came up with an amicable compromise between the two people. The blind girl and her advocates seem to think that she could come first above all others because she has a higher victim card and will carry the olympic torch.<br />On the contrary, she needs to accept that she is disabled and cannot always do what she wants and that sometimes she will meet situations where compromise is necessary.<br /><br />We are indeed all going to die as you say, but I don't see why that means one person can increase the risk to another through thier actions. A person with a disability who "can never experience many things in life we take for granted" is not worth more as a human being than one with no disabilities.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-551066088637207752011-12-13T12:42:18.190+00:002011-12-13T12:42:18.190+00:00Richard - There are two poker hands being played h...Richard - There are two poker hands being played here. Who's to say that the deaf girl should come out on top?<br />The entire article paints her as the victim and the allergy boy as irrelevant, yet his issue is with a possibly (if only slightly) fatal affliction and hers is with fasion sense and 'panic attacks'.<br /><br />A compromise needed to be reached here, and to me it appears they reached the correct one.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-40754533535404032642011-12-13T12:37:16.246+00:002011-12-13T12:37:16.246+00:00Leg Iron - Me too, although I sense a bit of exagg...Leg Iron - Me too, although I sense a bit of exagguration on both sides<br /><br />Julia - Good, I'll keep my eyes open for itBuckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-39373025901684236202011-12-13T12:25:29.066+00:002011-12-13T12:25:29.066+00:00"...the girl is a teenager, normal in every s...<i>"...the girl is a teenager, normal in every sense in that she has a fashion sense and wants to fit in with her peers."</i><br /><br />And doesn't the boy ALSO want to 'fit in with his peers'? <br /><br /><i>"...her permanent disabilities present far more severe risks of death in every day situations such as crossing the road or descending stairs..."</i><br /><br />Agreed. But not while she's having lunch or morning assemly, surely?JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-14603053828858467622011-12-13T12:01:55.801+00:002011-12-13T12:01:55.801+00:00I agree with Richard; being 'at risk of' i...I agree with Richard; being 'at risk of' is not the same 'a certainty of' this is just bullshit arse covering, the girl is a teenager, normal in every sense in that she has a fashion sense and wants to fit in with her peers. The allergy of the male pupil has does not apparently inhibit him from Seeing and Hearing what is going on around him, her permanent disabilities present far more severe risks of death in every day situations such as crossing the road or descending stairs than the risk of death from shock by a domesticised well trained well groomed dog. She has spent 3 years literaly wedded to this dog, the bond is much more than owner pet, Molly literally cannot invisage being without her companion, and as for the last line, ' What about justice for the chap who might die? ', well here is a news flash for you, we are ALL going to die eventually and I would much rather face the risk of death with 100% of my senses than only 60% of them, locking me into a life where I can never experience many things he will take for granted.Johnnyrvfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10760738027630644191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-47407346542905768662011-12-13T10:36:07.579+00:002011-12-13T10:36:07.579+00:00I'd want to see how the 'death' thing ...I'd want to see how the 'death' thing pans out, frankly. I had a severe allergy to dogs and cats when I was younger, and close contact with either would bring on an attack of asthma which was very distressing and - to stretch a point - possibly life-threatening. But I would have to be in close contact; it couldn't have affected me in a dining hall. I just avoided houses with dogs and cats, and I wouldn't have expected anyone to put themselves out over what was my problem, after all. Risk of death - possibly, just possibly. But have you ever wondered why (and how) the number of people with 'life-threatening' allergies has increased a million percent in the last few years? I suspect there's a poker hand being played here, and the poor deaf-blind girl has lost it.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15743685798068014455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-4106198598018879142011-12-13T10:00:24.039+00:002011-12-13T10:00:24.039+00:00Great minds think alike! I've put a post on th...Great minds think alike! I've put a post on this in draft at 'OoL' last night ;)<br /><br />I reached the same conclusions.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-9204663994247545152011-12-13T08:40:50.332+00:002011-12-13T08:40:50.332+00:00I think I'd side with the school on this one. ...I think I'd side with the school on this one. Death trumps inconvenience, I'd say. Even if the inconvenience is huge, it's not as bad as death.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.com