tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post3147409629443370325..comments2024-03-28T16:46:50.706+00:00Comments on The Moose: NZ Tobacco Control goes to loony loopy landBuckohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-9234479644984696852012-07-17T09:29:56.115+01:002012-07-17T09:29:56.115+01:00So, let me get this straight, they measured the pa...So, let me get this straight, they measured the particulates when there was no smoking (out of office/shop hours - ie. not much traffic) and then when there was smoking (masses of shoppers and traffic) and noticed a difference.<br /><br />Also, seems a little strange but when measuring airborne concentrations one usually measures in an area away from a point source does one not? Yet they claim they measured an 'average' of 2.6 metres from a group of smokers (standing by a busy road).<br /><br />I... Just.. <br /><br />Oh why pretend, just more of the same propaganda bovine excrement for the ineducable brainwashed masses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-5776470679030847552012-07-12T13:49:01.371+01:002012-07-12T13:49:01.371+01:00'I wonder what those smokers thought about hav...<i>'I wonder what those smokers thought about having someone hovering round them with a pollution machine.'</i><br /><br />I'm glad I'm not the only one to find something slightly incongruous in the idea of bemused smokers watching in polite incredulity as the scientists surround them and earnestly hoover up the atmosphere at a carefully measured distance.Macheathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04451439759398780345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-17454066885925794862012-07-12T07:45:01.741+01:002012-07-12T07:45:01.741+01:00This chap would be a good target Leg-Iron. He'...This chap would be a good target Leg-Iron. He's a US lawyer commenting on Facebook: <br /><br />"I would like to defend the first non-smoker that kills a smoker in self defense."Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-10499904431316374032012-07-12T04:33:04.370+01:002012-07-12T04:33:04.370+01:00Wahey! Something new to terrify the drones! Next o...Wahey! Something new to terrify the drones! Next one that comes up to me when I'm smoking is going to leave with chest pains at the very least.<br /><br />One day I'll succeed in scaring one of them to death.Leg-ironhttp://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-18684540017708925062012-07-11T09:47:28.146+01:002012-07-11T09:47:28.146+01:00Found the abstract/link to purchase ($31.50 no les...Found the abstract/link to purchase ($31.50 no less!) the 'research': <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1353829212001025#FCANote" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1353829212001025#FCANote</a><br /><br />From the abstract:<br /><br />"<i>Methods<br /><br />We refined established methods; <b>a solo observer</b> simultaneously observed smoking and measured fine particulate levels (PM2.5) on a route of shopping streets in central Lower Hutt City, New Zealand.<br />Results<br /><br /><b>Over 33.6 h of measurement</b>, mean fine particulate levels were 1.7 times higher when smoking was observed than when it was not (7.9 vs 4.8 μg/m3; p=0.0001).<br />Conclusions<br /><br />Smoking <b>appeared</b> to be a substantive contributor to fine particulate air pollution in city streets, when compared to levels adjacent to road traffic.</i>"<br /><br />Emphasis mine. I'll be doing my own write up of this trash when I get the time...PJHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11331948749785269728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-16891485427511173142012-07-10T23:07:58.912+01:002012-07-10T23:07:58.912+01:00As with AGW this has now become quasi-religious, w...As with AGW this has now become quasi-religious, whereby anyone seems to be able to come out with any old bollocks and the ever-increasing numbers of believers just accept it as the truth. As with AGW it does make me wonder why no one serious has come back with immediate and mocking rebuttals of the claims of these window lickers. Perhaps it's a question of funding, perhaps apathy? I mean, how much traction will the utterly bonkers 'Creationists' achieve whilst people continue to tolerate their insane ramblings? This is little different. People like this are just saying what the hell they like with ever-increasing degrees of ludicrosity and whilst we may wail about it on blogs, no-one with any scientific standing is saying anything to counter these essentially extremist statements.Humphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-62042752355024430992012-07-10T22:33:31.752+01:002012-07-10T22:33:31.752+01:00"they believe it is so powerful it can be mea..."<i>they believe it is so powerful it can be measured against the backdrop of such things in a city street.</i><br /><br />Really ?? Interesting. The NHS Smoking Cessation nurse who put the tiny level of carbon monoxide she "measured" in my lungs down to having walked down a busy traffic filled main road to get to the health centre...and not the ciggy I smoked an hour...couldn't tell the difference and didn't even try to lie about it.<br /><br />If they now say they <i>actually know</i> the difference they've progressed to <i>blatantly</i> lying.Tattynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-9397123851406741152012-07-10T20:29:53.579+01:002012-07-10T20:29:53.579+01:00Cheers Jay. I'll have a dig through that lot t...Cheers Jay. I'll have a dig through that lot tomorrow.Buckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169970711606515445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-232613925790974435.post-77410144631359636772012-07-10T20:20:10.295+01:002012-07-10T20:20:10.295+01:00Found the official release here: http://www.otago....Found the official release here: http://www.otago.ac.nz/wellington/news/otago034186.html<br /><br />Here's a link to the study: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1353829212001025<br /><br />And if you really want to jazz up another post (which I hope you do), you'll want to read all of this page too: http://www.otago.ac.nz/research/hekitenga2008/smokescreen.html Note the funding is from tobacco control sources including ASH.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18404807971134554522noreply@blogger.com